Curse

Giulz · May 01, 2009, 12:19 PM // 12:19

Hey Guys!

Basically, I get bored a lot. I have fun building away to my self in team builder although most of these are concepts as I don't have the friends to test these out.

My most recent concept was this:

[build prof=Assassin/Paragon][Barbed Spear][Vicious Attack]["Go for the Eyes!"][Dark Apostasy][Critical Eye][Way of the Master]["We Shall Return!"][Resurrection Signet][/build]
[build prof=Ranger/Paragon][Keen Arrow][Savage Shot][Dual Shot][Distracting Shot][Anthem of Envy][Glass Arrows][Lightning Reflexes][Resurrection Signet][/build]
[build prof=Ranger/Paragon][Keen Arrow][Savage Shot][Dual Shot]["Make Haste!"][Song of Concentration][Glass Arrows][Lightning Reflexes][Resurrection Signet][/build]
[build prof=Mesmer/Elementalist][Rust][Shard Storm][Freezing Gust][Blurred Vision][Mirror of Ice][Water Attunement][Inspired Enchantment][Resurrection Signet][/build]
[build prof=Ritualist/Elementalist][Brutal Weapon][Glyph of Renewal][Vital Weapon][Weapon of Warding][Grasping Earth][Ward Against Foes][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Resurrection Signet][/build]
[build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist][Icy Veins][Rigor Mortis][Rend Enchantments][Life][Weapon of Warding][Protective Was Kaolai][Foul Feast][Flesh of My Flesh][/build]
[build prof=Monk/Mesmer][Dwayna's Kiss][Patient Spirit][Word of Healing][Infuse Health][Cure Hex][Mantra of Flame][Power Drain][Channeling][/build]
[build prof=Monk/Mesmer][Reversal of Fortune][Spirit Bond][Restore Condition][Guardian][Shield of Absorption][Holy Veil][Aura of Stability][Channeling][/build]

I am posting this here as I feel I will receive positve feedback / constructive criticism. The build is rather self explanitory in my view although I will add the Roles when I have more time.

On top of this, I am looking for players who have a vague or vast knowledge of HA. Mainly due to the fact I can't get people to test certain bars. I want to be different in my PvP play and not follow the current meta but try to extend on it to find new ways to win.

Thanks for now..

Giulz.

elypta · May 01, 2009, 12:46 PM // 12:46

hmm the sin doesnt have a Elite skill, dont really know a gd skill too use atm but just so you know

Divinus Stella · May 01, 2009, 12:48 PM // 12:48

Basically just A/P spike but worse, looks like you copied a GvG build off obs and removed the runner.

i farm baddies · May 01, 2009, 12:52 PM // 12:52

yea funny how already popular gvg builds pop up on guru as terror spike or some other ill fated idea of a new build.

sorry if the above comes off as mean i didnt really read everything rofl, but if your new to ha which i think you said idk i need to l2read but you should just pug or join a guild and wait to start parties when you are more experienced

turbo234 · May 01, 2009, 01:27 PM // 13:27

[keen arrow]+["go for the eyes!"] > [sloth hunter's shot] + ["go for the eyes!"]

sin bar is just baed. no elite and bad attempt at the omegaspike sin.

axe · May 01, 2009, 01:50 PM // 13:50

The sin is supposed to have [Dark Apostasy]

Icy The Mage · May 01, 2009, 01:52 PM // 13:52

Yeah, looks like you obsed this and copied as many skills as possible, omitted the flagger & plunked in random skills for the ones you didn't see.

Giulz · May 01, 2009, 02:06 PM // 14:06

No offence taken don't worry, Again this is just theory craft. Bars are constantly changing

As for the people claiming this is currently a widespread build. I have not as of yet seen this. It is simply a collaboration of bars usually co-ordinated within a spike merged with alterations for maxium efficiency. If you don't like it, pffft.

The bars have changed with the reccomendations, thank you.

House Silvermoon · May 01, 2009, 02:17 PM // 14:17

nice trying to claim a build thats alrdy been made and currently run often.

Giulz · May 01, 2009, 03:32 PM // 15:32

I lol'ed at the last comment.

The WoH Bar and RC have been standard backline from well.. forever as I remember.
Again, At no point do I claim to own these bars. They are "Standardized" bars that are currently popular with some flare and variation.

Please, if your going to flame/troll/cry/whine please do it properly. Or atleast with some words of advice.

Killed u man · May 01, 2009, 05:02 PM // 17:02

barbed spear for mad bleeding?

Krill · May 01, 2009, 06:00 PM // 18:00

[build prof=A/P name="AP Caller" Cri=12+2 Spe=12 Comma=3][Vicious Attack][Disrupting Throw][Go For The Eyes][Song of Concentration][Critical Eye][Dark Apostasy][Way of the Master][Resurrection Signet][/build]
[build prof=R/P name="Off Caller" Exp=12+2 Mar=12+3 Comma=3][Forked Arrow][Savage Shot][Keen Arrow][Distracting Shot][Glass Arrows][Lightning Reflexes][Go For The Eyes][Resurrection Signet][/build]
[build prof=R/Ri name="Ranger #2" Exp=12+2 Mar=12+3 Res=3][Forked Arrow][Savage Shot][Keen Arrow][Distracting Shot][Glass Arrows][Lightning Reflexes][Favorable Winds][Flesh of my Flesh (PvP)][/build]
[build prof=Me/E name="Water Mes" Fas=9+2 Wat=12 Ear=9][Rust][Freezing Gust][Shard Storm][Blurred Vision][Mirror of Ice][Water Attunement][Ward Against Foes][Glyph of Lesser Energy][/build]
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[build prof=E/Ri name="B-Surge" Ene=8+1 Air=12+2 Res=10][Blinding Surge (PvP)][Shell Shock][Lightning Bolt][Gale][Air Attunement][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Weapon of Warding (PvP)][Death Pact Signet (PvP)][/build]
[build prof=Mo/P name="PnH Support" Div=12+2 Spe=9 Com=9][Peace and Harmony][Deny Hexes][Divine Healing][Heavens Delight][Wearying Spear][Make Haste][Fall Back][Resurrection Signet][/build]
[build prof=Mo/Me name="LS Prot" Div=10+1 Pro=12+2 Ins=8][Life Sheath][Spirit Bond][Guardian][Shield of Absorption][Aura of Stability][Holy Veil][Power Drain][Channeling][/build]
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[build prof=Mo/Me name="HB Infuse" Div=10+1 Hea=12+2 Ins=8][Patient Spirit][Dwaynas Kiss][Infuse Health][Heal Party][Cure Hex][Healers Boon][Auspicious Incantation][Channeling][/build]

*Variant---------------------------------
[build prof=E/P name="Mind Shock" Ene=9+1 Air=12+2 Comma=9][Mind Shock][Shell Shock][Lightning Bolt][Blinding Flash][Air Attunement][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Make Haste][Resurrection Signet][/build]
[build prof=Ne/Ri name="BiP Support" Sou=8+1 Blo=10+3 Res=12][Blood is Power][Strip Enchantment][Blood of the Aggressor][Foul Feast][Weapon of Warding (PvP)][Protective Was Kaolai][Life][Death Pact Signet (PvP)][/build]
[build prof=Mo/Me name="PnH Prot" Div=10+1 Pro=12+2 Ins=8][Reversal of Fortune][Spirit Bond][Guardian][Shield of Absorption][Aura of Stability][Mend Condition][Peace and Harmony][Channeling][/build]
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There's your generic HA omega spike with an A/P. There's lots of different ways to do it of course but the two ranger version is probably the easiest. Like others have said it's not really new at all (quite common in HA now).

thebible · May 01, 2009, 09:50 PM // 21:50

crazy that after some years of absence, spike builds are still the rage lol

Edwards · May 01, 2009, 11:25 PM // 23:25

Like others have said, this isn't new.

Perhaps that particular mix of skills are not commonly run, but the whole thing is basically just a generic build with a few subtle changes.

I get what you're trying to do, put together bars that have been proven effective into something original, but you haven't done that here.

Giulz · May 02, 2009, 03:30 PM // 15:30

Eventually someone understands why I actually posted this.

Edwards, the one thing is why!? Again I will state I have no "First Hand" knowledge, just read skill descriptions and it makes sense more than any other combination I can think of at this moment in time.

Keep this goin guys. I want an "Eventual Product from this"

Edwards · May 02, 2009, 10:29 PM // 22:29

Why?

Compare your build to this. That build's been in the HA meta for ages, and is still run today. You can see the similarities between that and your build. Your build is also extremely similar to a common GvG build, A/P spike.

So yes, the basic idea makes sense, and it should work, but it's not highly original, and you have some skills in there that are sub optimal.

On your caller, [Barbed Spear] is pointless because it does no +dmg to assist the spike, and you're not going to do anything with the condition pressure from bleeding except maybe power an RC.

You'd be better off with a better hard rez than [Flesh of my Flesh] imo.

2x [Weapon of Warding] is pointless now that it gets stripped from the Ghostly.

You don't need both [Mantra of Flame] and [Power Drain] on your WoH monk. Either one should be enough energy management unless they're bad, the prot is bad, or the team is bad and stands in AoE.

Big fella · May 05, 2009, 10:19 AM // 10:19

imo

1. No need for 2 copies of WoW as stated above ^ ^
2. Need favourable winds (even tho it gets killed or interrupted too much... its good in HoH when ppl dont really care about it)
3. I think having both dual and forked is pointless... since keen is a 6 second recharge and vicious is 8 second...(not saying vicious has to be charged to spike) but I have NEVER been in a group apart from dual/forked rspike that has needed 2 spike skills... If you think taking 2 spike skills are OP then take out the useless barbed spear for something like augury :P many uses for it
4. Sig of Rejuv > Mantra

TheHaxor · May 05, 2009, 01:53 PM // 13:53

This concept is not an improvement over the conventional build.

Also, the advice in this thread has been terrible.

House Silvermoon · May 05, 2009, 03:35 PM // 15:35

ok can we just close this debacle of a thread plz.